Surprisingly for Conservative/Constitutionalist society, the Tri-States features a system of universal health care where the state pays 75% of the cost of medical care and the patient pays 25% which could be either be paid in installment payments or through a state loan. Basic medical care, prenatal care, and immunizations are provided free by highly trained paramedics at emergency aid stations throughout the Tri-States 24-7.

The reason I find this surprising is because Conservatives, Constitutionalists and Libertarians in general are against universal health insurance and especially a "single-payer" type system of Universal Health Care as found in Canada and in the Tri-States. Even the Falconist Party, which supports universal health care, is reluctant to support a single-payer system favoring instead a system of universal health vouchers for individuals to purchase basic medical and dental insurance for themselves and their families.

So for the Constitutionalists, Conservatives and Libertarians who have come to embrace the Tri-State philosophy, how do you reconcile the system of health care in the Tri-States with your philosophy?

The reason I bring up this topic is that Ben Raines and WWJ thought the idea of the state providing universal health car was so important that there was half a chapter dedicated to it in "Out of the Ashes", mentioned when Ben Raines became POTUS in "Fire in the Ashes" and is talked about quite a bit in "America Reborn".

Constitutionalists, Conservatives, and Libertarians alike have been opposed to Universal Health Care. However, Ben Raines, who some would call either a Conservative, Constitutionalist, or a Libertarian, is a firm believer in Universal Health Care.

Hey, Cinc. you forgot a major portion of the equation. That in the Tri-States everyone is working and contributing to society. If you don't work and do your part you are denied everything including healthcare. Unless you are to young or too old or handicapped. Right now in the U.S.A. even if you are lazy, an illegal, or taking advantage of the system you still get all these things, that's why we don't want universal healthcare because the people who work and contribute to society have to pay for the ones who don't. I would agree to universal healthcare only if the people who earned it and the truly disabled, young and old get's it, not the parasites of society.

I totally agree with you right there. Everyone would have to be working and paying into the system. That is why the advocates of the UHV plan call for a national sales tax or a Value Added Tax to finance the program-so everyone sees that their health care isn't free.

And I am in favor of forcing everyone to work and reserving welfare for the elderly, infirm and those that need a TEMPORARY helping hand.

Hey,Cinc. Don't get me wrong, I believe in a helping hand, but even when collecting welfare if you are able bodied and able to work you will. Not like now in the U.S., where people collect welfare and sit on their butts and do nothing. They can clean up parks, babysit for government workers, clean goverment buildings etc. being as the government (taxpayers) is paying them they should earn it. I guess the more I discuss the issues with you, the more the common ground. It's not that I think universal healthcare is a bad thing, it's the people who don't contribute and parasite off those that do. I like to think of myself as a combination of these groups you mentioned. I am a fiscal conservitive, don't spend it if you can't afford it. I am a staunch supporter of the Constitution, literally by the Founding Fathers. Their mindset was they just fought a Revolution because their freedom and rights were being infringed upon, they wanted to make sure our government never did this. I am also a libertarian, if it makes you happy and you don't hurt, steal, or con anyone, go ahead but it is your personal responsibility AS AN ADULT to make the right decision. Not blame McDonald's cause your fat. Budweiser cause you killed someone when driving drunk. Children must learn personal responsibility from parents teachers and adults period, by word and action. Aloha ogi

Like I said, I am in total agreement with you about a workfare system. Public assistance should be reserved for the elderly, infirm, and those that need a TEMPORARY helping hand like it says in the Tri-States manifesto.

If someone is unemployed but able-bodied and able-minded, he/she shall be put to work in the private sector if possible and public service if necessary. There is too much work to be done in America for anyone to sit on their hands being idle. Half of America's bridges are in need of repair and/or replacement. Our roads and freeways are falling apart. Our airports are choked with air traffic. Our rail system is shot. Our communities lack adequate educational and health care facilities. Our nation lacks the refineries and power generating and distributing capabilities our nation needs. Our nation has brownfields that need cleaning up. Bottom line is there plenty of stuff that needs to be built to lay a solid foundation for future economic and population growth and the able bodied unemployed need to be put to work rebuilding this great country.

If a person lacks a marketable skill but demonstrates the will to learn one, then that person should be sent to school to learn a marketable skill. Our nation has a shortage of people skilled in health sciences, information technology, as well as people such as craftsmen. If our nation had to rebuild after an OOTA scenario, there would be alot of people right now who would be considered "unemployable" and barely any people who can build or repair things. In an OOTA scenario, the people on top right now would sink to the bottom while the people with the know-how to build and repair stuff would rise to to the top and train the unemployable in how to build and repair stuff.

If someone refuses to work and expects the state to support him/her forever, I think that person should be sent to jail to work under armed guard or be called up for military service.

But this is off tangent. But there is a foreseeable problem with instituting a universal health insurance program and that is we have trouble paying for the universal health insurance of everyone 65 and older. How can we expect to pay for the health care for everybody if we don't rebuild and reform our economy, educational system, political system and health care system alltogether?

We can't bring universal health insurance to America without rebuilding and reforming America's economy, educational system, immigration system, criminal justice system, the military, political system as well as our health care system. Our society must emphasize genuine equality of oppurtunity, equality under the law, and equality of OBLIGATION. Everyone that draws out of the system must put back in the system.

Somewhere in Dog's Den I put a thread up about healthcare. I'll need to see if I cant dig that up.. anyhow, I thought that it could be worked into the existing structure at first like Unemployement. You dont just get it off of the bat, you get it by paying into it.

There are some excpetions to the rule, but for the most part, you dont get a free ride, you got to pay in first.

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